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8 STEVE MCCRACKEN, TVA................ 4
9 BRENDA TIMM, CAG ................... 7
10 RANDY ELLIS, CAG.................... 9
11 LEO FRANCENDESE, EPA................ 13
12 CRAIG ZELLER, EPA................... 43
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12 VINCE JOSWICK......................... 108
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17:56:24 1 STEVE MCCRACKEN: Good evening,
7:56:24 1 STEVE MCCRACKEN: Good evening,
17:56:24 2 everybody. For those of you that I haven't
7:56:24 2 everybody. For those of you that I haven't
17:56:44 3 met before, my name is Steve McCracken. I'm
7:56:44 3 met before, my name is Steve McCracken. I'm
17:56:48 4 the general manager of the ash cleanup
7:56:48 4 the general manager of the ash cleanup
17:56:54 5 project for TVA. Before we begin, I guess I
7:56:54 5 project for TVA. Before we begin, I guess I
17:57:00 6 just need to state the obvious. If we need
7:57:00 6 just need to state the obvious. If we need
17:57:04 7 to exit the building for any reason, there's
7:57:04 7 to exit the building for any reason, there's
17:57:06 8 two exits at the back and two at the front.
7:57:06 8 two exits at the back and two at the front.
17:57:10 9 And I think -- I don't know where the
7:57:10 9 And I think -- I don't know where the
17:57:10 10 restrooms are. They're around here
7:57:10 10 restrooms are. They're around here
17:57:12 11 somewhere. They're that way. So I guess
7:57:12 11 somewhere. They're that way. So I guess
17:57:16 12 that covers that.
7:57:16 12 that covers that.
17:57:26 13 Where is Mike? Mike Farmer is here
7:57:26 13 Where is Mike? Mike Farmer is here
17:57:26 14 this evening. Mike, raise your hand.
7:57:26 14 this evening. Mike, raise your hand.
17:57:30 15 Everybody welcome Mr. Farmer here this
7:57:30 15 Everybody welcome Mr. Farmer here this
17:57:32 16 evening. Executive Farmer. I want to thank
7:57:32 16 evening. Executive Farmer. I want to thank
17:57:34 17 you for coming. We have a full agenda. We
7:57:34 17 you for coming. We have a full agenda. We
17:57:38 18 have a lot of things to talk about. I'd
7:57:38 18 have a lot of things to talk about. I'd
17:57:40 19 like to -- all I'm going to do is make
7:57:40 19 like to -- all I'm going to do is make
17:57:42 20 introductions and once I have introduced the
7:57:42 20 introductions and once I have introduced the
17:57:46 21 people that are going to speak tonight and
7:57:46 21 people that are going to speak tonight and
17:57:48 22 talk a little bit about the agenda, then you
7:57:48 22 talk a little bit about the agenda, then you
17:57:52 23 -- I won't get up and keep introducing
7:57:52 23 -- I won't get up and keep introducing
17:57:54 24 people as the night goes on because that
7:57:54 24 people as the night goes on because that
17:57:56 25 will just take more of your time.
7:57:56 25 will just take more of your time.
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17:58:00 1 If you attended the last public
7:58:00 1 If you attended the last public
17:58:02 2 meeting, you will recognize our facilitator
7:58:02 2 meeting, you will recognize our facilitator
17:58:06 3 that's here today. Bruce, if you'd stand
7:58:06 3 that's here today. Bruce, if you'd stand
17:58:08 4 up. Bruce Engelbert is a single -- a senior
7:58:08 4 up. Bruce Engelbert is a single -- a senior
17:58:12 5 facilitator from E-Squared, Inc., out of
7:58:12 5 facilitator from E-Squared, Inc., out of
17:58:16 6 Charlottesville, Virginia. He facilitated
7:58:16 6 Charlottesville, Virginia. He facilitated
17:58:18 7 the last meeting we had. We thought he did
7:58:18 7 the last meeting we had. We thought he did
17:58:20 8 a great job. He will facilitate the
7:58:20 8 a great job. He will facilitate the
17:58:24 9 question and answer part of the program
7:58:24 9 question and answer part of the program
17:58:24 10 tonight. He will talk to you -- he will
7:58:24 10 tonight. He will talk to you -- he will
17:58:30 11 introduce the question and answer period and
7:58:30 11 introduce the question and answer period and
17:58:32 12 then he will take questions from the
7:58:32 12 then he will take questions from the
17:58:34 13 audience and direct them to the right people
7:58:34 13 audience and direct them to the right people
17:58:36 14 and he'll talk a little bit about the ground
7:58:36 14 and he'll talk a little bit about the ground
17:58:38 15 rules for that when it's his turn.
7:58:38 15 rules for that when it's his turn.
17:58:40 16 Presentations tonight will be made
7:58:40 16 Presentations tonight will be made
17:58:42 17 by Leo Francendese. Leo, raise your hand.
7:58:42 17 by Leo Francendese. Leo, raise your hand.
17:58:48 18 Leo is EPA's on-site coordinator. He will
7:58:48 18 Leo is EPA's on-site coordinator. He will
17:58:52 19 provide you an update on the Kingston site
7:58:52 19 provide you an update on the Kingston site
17:58:56 20 and discuss the EPA's environmental audit
7:58:56 20 and discuss the EPA's environmental audit
17:58:58 21 report.
7:58:58 21 report.
17:59:00 22 Craig Zeller. Where is Craig?
7:59:00 22 Craig Zeller. Where is Craig?
17:59:04 23 He is the EE/CA project manager, the
7:59:04 23 He is the EE/CA project manager, the
17:59:08 24 Engineering Evaluation and Cost Analysis,
7:59:08 24 Engineering Evaluation and Cost Analysis,
17:59:10 25 which is that document that will, we hope,
7:59:10 25 which is that document that will, we hope,
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17:59:12 1 lead us to a final cleanup decision for the
7:59:12 1 lead us to a final cleanup decision for the
17:59:16 2 site over the next few months. He works for
7:59:16 2 site over the next few months. He works for
17:59:20 3 EPA. He will go through the alternatives
7:59:20 3 EPA. He will go through the alternatives
17:59:22 4 that are in that report and talk about the
7:59:22 4 that are in that report and talk about the
17:59:24 5 next phase of the cleanup.
7:59:24 5 next phase of the cleanup.
17:59:28 6 Bonnie Bashor. Bonnie, if you'd
7:59:28 6 Bonnie Bashor. Bonnie, if you'd
17:59:28 7 raise your hand. Bonnie Bashor is with the
7:59:28 7 raise your hand. Bonnie Bashor is with the
17:59:32 8 Tennessee Department of Health. She will
7:59:32 8 Tennessee Department of Health. She will
17:59:34 9 present the Tennessee Department of Health
7:59:34 9 present the Tennessee Department of Health
17:59:36 10 and ATSDR's draft health assessment that is
7:59:36 10 and ATSDR's draft health assessment that is
17:59:40 11 currently out for public comment.
7:59:40 11 currently out for public comment.
17:59:44 12 By the way, when you came in
7:59:44 12 By the way, when you came in
17:59:46 13 tonight you noticed that there's a lot of
7:59:46 13 tonight you noticed that there's a lot of
17:59:48 14 posters along the walls. What we would
7:59:48 14 posters along the walls. What we would
17:59:50 15 really hope that you would take the time to
7:59:50 15 really hope that you would take the time to
17:59:54 16 do is stop and talk to the people that we
7:59:54 16 do is stop and talk to the people that we
17:59:56 17 have that are subject matter experts in a
7:59:56 17 have that are subject matter experts in a
18:00:02 18 lot of things, the alternatives, air
8:00:02 18 lot of things, the alternatives, air
18:00:04 19 monitoring, water monitoring. They can
8:00:04 19 monitoring, water monitoring. They can
18:00:06 20 certainly and are more than willing and, in
8:00:06 20 certainly and are more than willing and, in
18:00:08 21 fact, would look forward to an opportunity
8:00:08 21 fact, would look forward to an opportunity
18:00:10 22 to talk to you one on one about the work
8:00:10 22 to talk to you one on one about the work
18:00:14 23 that's in their particular area of
8:00:14 23 that's in their particular area of
18:00:18 24 expertise. We will hang around after the
8:00:18 24 expertise. We will hang around after the
18:00:20 25 meeting is over tonight. So that if you
8:00:20 25 meeting is over tonight. So that if you
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18:00:22 1 think of any questions that you might have
8:00:22 1 think of any questions that you might have
18:00:24 2 for those people, feel free to talk to them
8:00:24 2 for those people, feel free to talk to them
18:00:28 3 before you leave.
8:00:28 3 before you leave.
18:00:30 4 Before we begin, I would like to
8:00:30 4 Before we begin, I would like to
18:00:34 5 say again that I'm not going to stand up and
8:00:34 5 say again that I'm not going to stand up and
18:00:38 6 reintroduce each one of the presenters.
8:00:38 6 reintroduce each one of the presenters.
18:00:40 7 I'll let them each introduce themselves in
8:00:40 7 I'll let them each introduce themselves in
18:00:42 8 the order that they come up here to talk and
8:00:42 8 the order that they come up here to talk and
18:00:46 9 present the information that they have.
8:00:46 9 present the information that they have.
18:00:48 10 Before we begin that, though, I'd like to
8:00:48 10 Before we begin that, though, I'd like to
18:00:50 11 introduce Brenda Timm. Brenda, raise your
8:00:50 11 introduce Brenda Timm. Brenda, raise your
18:00:54 12 hand. Brenda Timm is the chair of Roane
8:00:54 12 hand. Brenda Timm is the chair of Roane
18:00:56 13 County Community Advisory Group. Standing
8:00:56 13 County Community Advisory Group. Standing
18:01:00 14 next to her is Randy Ellis. He's also on
8:01:00 14 next to her is Randy Ellis. He's also on
18:01:02 15 the Community Action Group. But Brenda
8:01:02 15 the Community Action Group. But Brenda
18:01:04 16 would like to speak to you for a few minutes
8:01:04 16 would like to speak to you for a few minutes
18:01:06 17 and then we'll begin the presentations
8:01:06 17 and then we'll begin the presentations
18:01:08 18 beginning with Leo. Thank you very much.
8:01:08 18 beginning with Leo. Thank you very much.
18:01:12 19 BRENDA TIMM: As he said, I'm
8:01:12 19 BRENDA TIMM: As he said, I'm
18:01:18 20 Brenda Timm and we're with the Community
8:01:18 20 Brenda Timm and we're with the Community
18:01:22 21 Advisory Group. The CAG was formed to deal
8:01:22 21 Advisory Group. The CAG was formed to deal
18:01:24 22 with the non-time-critical cleanup of the
8:01:24 22 with the non-time-critical cleanup of the
18:01:26 23 ash disaster and is made up of members of
8:01:26 23 ash disaster and is made up of members of
18:01:28 24 the community of all areas around the
8:01:28 24 the community of all areas around the
18:01:32 25 disaster.
8:01:32 25 disaster.
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18:01:32 1 The CAG was given a grant to hire
8:01:32 1 The CAG was given a grant to hire
18:01:34 2 an independent technical advisor, which
8:01:34 2 an independent technical advisor, which
18:01:36 3 we're in the process of doing that now.
8:01:36 3 we're in the process of doing that now.
18:01:38 4 We're hoping to finalize that by the end of
8:01:38 4 We're hoping to finalize that by the end of
18:01:40 5 the month. And once we hire our technical
8:01:40 5 the month. And once we hire our technical
18:01:44 6 advisor, they'll be available to us to
8:01:44 6 advisor, they'll be available to us to
18:01:46 7 answer the more technical questions on the
8:01:46 7 answer the more technical questions on the
18:01:48 8 documents that are out for comment now. Of
8:01:48 8 documents that are out for comment now. Of
18:01:52 9 those documents that are out right now, in
8:01:52 9 those documents that are out right now, in
18:01:56 10 case you aren't aware, they're on our
8:01:56 10 case you aren't aware, they're on our
18:01:58 11 website which is www.roanecag.org. They're
8:01:58 11 website which is www.roanecag.org. They're
18:02:04 12 also on TVA and EPA's websites and those are
8:02:04 12 also on TVA and EPA's websites and those are
18:02:08 13 the EE/CA and the Tennessee Department of
8:02:08 13 the EE/CA and the Tennessee Department of
18:02:10 14 Health's risk assessment.
8:02:10 14 Health's risk assessment.
18:02:12 15 If you want to sign up for
8:02:12 15 If you want to sign up for
18:02:14 16 notifications, when these things come out
8:02:14 16 notifications, when these things come out
18:02:16 17 we put them on our website, you can -- we'll
8:02:16 17 we put them on our website, you can -- we'll
18:02:20 18 be over here at our table if you want to
8:02:20 18 be over here at our table if you want to
18:02:20 19 stop by, give us your name, e-mail or phone
8:02:20 19 stop by, give us your name, e-mail or phone
18:02:24 20 number, whichever is more convenient for
8:02:24 20 number, whichever is more convenient for
18:02:26 21 you. We'd be happy to let you know when
8:02:26 21 you. We'd be happy to let you know when
18:02:28 22 those things come out. Just another way to
8:02:28 22 those things come out. Just another way to
18:02:30 23 inform you.
8:02:30 23 inform you.
18:02:32 24 At this time I want to introduce
8:02:32 24 At this time I want to introduce
18:02:32 25 Randy Ellis. He's the vice chair of the
8:02:32 25 Randy Ellis. He's the vice chair of the
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18:02:36 1 Community Advisory Group and he's going to
8:02:36 1 Community Advisory Group and he's going to
18:02:38 2 give you an update of some of the things
8:02:38 2 give you an update of some of the things
18:02:40 3 that we've been working on and some of our
8:02:40 3 that we've been working on and some of our
18:02:44 4 accomplishments to date. Randy.
8:02:44 4 accomplishments to date. Randy.
18:02:46 5 RANDY ELLIS: Randy Ellis. I just
8:02:46 5 RANDY ELLIS: Randy Ellis. I just
18:02:52 6 want to go ahead and apologize ahead of
8:02:52 6 want to go ahead and apologize ahead of
18:02:54 7 time. I'm not the greatest public speaker.
8:02:54 7 time. I'm not the greatest public speaker.
18:02:56 8 I'm going to go over a few of the
8:02:56 8 I'm going to go over a few of the
18:02:58 9 accomplishments that the CAG has been able
8:02:58 9 accomplishments that the CAG has been able
18:03:00 10 to accomplish and cover some stuff we've
8:03:00 10 to accomplish and cover some stuff we've
18:03:02 11 been working on on behalf of Roane County.
8:03:02 11 been working on on behalf of Roane County.
18:03:04 12 One person that we didn't recognize
8:03:04 12 One person that we didn't recognize
18:03:06 13 tonight is Beth Hickman. She's here for
8:03:06 13 tonight is Beth Hickman. She's here for
18:03:10 14 Congressman Lincoln Davis right back here.
8:03:10 14 Congressman Lincoln Davis right back here.
18:03:12 15 Like I said, I just want to take a few
8:03:12 15 Like I said, I just want to take a few
18:03:12 16 minutes to go over some of the things that
8:03:12 16 minutes to go over some of the things that
18:03:14 17 we've been looking out for Roane County and
8:03:14 17 we've been looking out for Roane County and
18:03:16 18 some of the accomplishments.
8:03:16 18 some of the accomplishments.
18:03:18 19 The CAG has been frustrated with
8:03:18 19 The CAG has been frustrated with
18:03:22 20 lack of accurate information received from
8:03:22 20 lack of accurate information received from
18:03:22 21 all agencies in the beginning. We expressed
8:03:22 21 all agencies in the beginning. We expressed
18:03:24 22 our concern with the lack of effective
8:03:24 22 our concern with the lack of effective
18:03:26 23 communication from TVA on a number of
8:03:26 23 communication from TVA on a number of
18:03:26 24 subjects such as traffic concerns, the ash
8:03:26 24 subjects such as traffic concerns, the ash
18:03:30 25 snow that occurred on September 18th, and
8:03:30 25 snow that occurred on September 18th, and
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18:03:30 1 other operations that affect the public in
8:03:30 1 other operations that affect the public in
18:03:34 2 the Swan Pond area.
8:03:34 2 the Swan Pond area.
18:03:36 3 As a result of this, TVA has made a
8:03:36 3 As a result of this, TVA has made a
18:03:38 4 renewed and renowned effort to get
8:03:38 4 renewed and renowned effort to get
18:03:40 5 information to the public even through --
8:03:40 5 information to the public even through --
18:03:42 6 even though this is a work in progress and
8:03:42 6 even though this is a work in progress and
18:03:44 7 far from perfect. Progress has certainly
8:03:44 7 far from perfect. Progress has certainly
18:03:46 8 been made. We expressed concern regarding
8:03:46 8 been made. We expressed concern regarding
18:03:48 9 violation of the Alabama ash storage site to
8:03:48 9 violation of the Alabama ash storage site to
18:03:50 10 EPA. EPA was unaware of the situation until
8:03:50 10 EPA. EPA was unaware of the situation until
18:03:54 11 it was brought to their attention and that
8:03:54 11 it was brought to their attention and that
18:03:56 12 they are now investigating this.
8:03:56 12 they are now investigating this.
18:03:56 13 The CAG has pointed out several
8:03:56 13 The CAG has pointed out several
18:03:58 14 concerns in the sampling data and
8:03:58 14 concerns in the sampling data and
18:04:02 15 methodology where samples have not been
8:04:02 15 methodology where samples have not been
18:04:04 16 taken at high flows on the Emory River when
8:04:04 16 taken at high flows on the Emory River when
18:04:06 17 the greatest contaminant load would be
8:04:06 17 the greatest contaminant load would be
18:04:08 18 present.
8:04:08 18 present.
18:04:10 19 Water quality data is incomplete
8:04:10 19 Water quality data is incomplete
18:04:10 20 and does not give an accurate picture of
8:04:10 20 and does not give an accurate picture of
18:04:12 21 heavy metal contaminant discharge and we
8:04:12 21 heavy metal contaminant discharge and we
18:04:16 22 think this understates them. There are
8:04:16 22 think this understates them. There are
18:04:18 23 serious anomalies that are unexplained
8:04:18 23 serious anomalies that are unexplained
18:04:20 24 between residual ash remaining in the failed
8:04:20 24 between residual ash remaining in the failed
18:04:24 25 pile and the dredge material analysis as
8:04:24 25 pile and the dredge material analysis as
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18:04:26 1 well as the contaminant data for fish
8:04:26 1 well as the contaminant data for fish
18:04:26 2 collected in the spill area compared to fish
8:04:26 2 collected in the spill area compared to fish
18:04:30 3 collected upstream from the spill area.
8:04:30 3 collected upstream from the spill area.
18:04:32 4 The CAG is also concerned about
8:04:32 4 The CAG is also concerned about
18:04:34 5 the TVA as lead agency and would prefer
8:04:34 5 the TVA as lead agency and would prefer
18:04:36 6 that TVA be removed as lead agency due
8:04:36 6 that TVA be removed as lead agency due
18:04:36 7 to the failures such as water sampling
8:04:36 7 to the failures such as water sampling
18:04:42 8 irregularities and questions on air quality
8:04:42 8 irregularities and questions on air quality
18:04:42 9 measurements, as well. For instance, videos
8:04:42 9 measurements, as well. For instance, videos
18:04:46 10 clearly show ash dust being stirred up into
8:04:46 10 clearly show ash dust being stirred up into
18:04:50 11 clouds, but sampling stations does not
8:04:50 11 clouds, but sampling stations does not
18:04:52 12 indicate any data from this event.
8:04:52 12 indicate any data from this event.
18:04:56 13 We are seriously concerned and have
8:04:56 13 We are seriously concerned and have
18:04:58 14 called into question the practices allowing
8:04:58 14 called into question the practices allowing
18:05:00 15 TVA to redo TDEC, EPA and Department of
8:05:00 15 TVA to redo TDEC, EPA and Department of
18:05:04 16 Health documents prior to the release to the
8:05:04 16 Health documents prior to the release to the
18:05:04 17 public for comment. The CAG asked for and
8:05:04 17 public for comment. The CAG asked for and
18:05:06 18 receive the public health assessment and the
8:05:06 18 receive the public health assessment and the
18:05:08 19 TVA comments that were transmitted in
8:05:08 19 TVA comments that were transmitted in
18:05:10 20 official written form. These are posted at
8:05:10 20 official written form. These are posted at
18:05:14 21 the Tennessee Department of Health website
8:05:14 21 the Tennessee Department of Health website
18:05:16 22 and are linked on the CAG website also for
8:05:16 22 and are linked on the CAG website also for
18:05:18 23 everyone to see if they wish.
8:05:18 23 everyone to see if they wish.
18:05:20 24 The CAG has pointed out the failure
8:05:20 24 The CAG has pointed out the failure
18:05:22 25 of EPA standards for selenium in fish and
8:05:22 25 of EPA standards for selenium in fish and
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18:05:26 1 corresponding to the warnings issued by the
8:05:26 1 corresponding to the warnings issued by the
18:05:30 2 Federal Drug Administration. Selenium
8:05:30 2 Federal Drug Administration. Selenium
18:05:32 3 contamination is collected -- has collected
8:05:32 3 contamination is collected -- has collected
18:05:34 4 fish as high enough to be considered toxic
8:05:34 4 fish as high enough to be considered toxic
18:05:36 5 by FDA standards. The CAG also has asked
8:05:36 5 by FDA standards. The CAG also has asked
18:05:40 6 for and received assurances that visual
8:05:40 6 for and received assurances that visual
18:05:42 7 aesthetics would be attended to in any
8:05:42 7 aesthetics would be attended to in any
18:05:44 8 restored dikes in the Swan Pond area or
8:05:44 8 restored dikes in the Swan Pond area or
18:05:48 9 other remediation of that area.
8:05:48 9 other remediation of that area.
18:05:50 10 Finally, the CAG continues to
8:05:50 10 Finally, the CAG continues to
18:05:52 11 listen to your concerns and the Roane County
8:05:52 11 listen to your concerns and the Roane County
18:05:54 12 citizens and relay them to EPA, TDEC and TVA
8:05:54 12 citizens and relay them to EPA, TDEC and TVA
18:05:58 13 and all other agencies involved. These
8:05:58 13 and all other agencies involved. These
18:05:58 14 agencies meet with us on a regular basis and
8:05:58 14 agencies meet with us on a regular basis and
18:06:00 15 respond to our questions. And e-mails have
8:06:00 15 respond to our questions. And e-mails have
18:06:02 16 -- even though we don't always like some of
8:06:02 16 -- even though we don't always like some of
18:06:04 17 their answers, but they are responding to
8:06:04 17 their answers, but they are responding to
18:06:06 18 our questions.
8:06:06 18 our questions.
18:06:08 19 Please feel free to contact me or
8:06:08 19 Please feel free to contact me or
18:06:10 20 anyone on our CAG website. It's www.cag.org
8:06:10 20 anyone on our CAG website. It's www.cag.org
18:06:16 21 or www.cag.com. You can pretty much get it
8:06:16 21 or www.cag.com. You can pretty much get it
18:06:18 22 in any area there. We want to know what
8:06:18 22 in any area there. We want to know what
18:06:20 23 your concerns is and we will do our best to
8:06:20 23 your concerns is and we will do our best to
18:06:22 24 raise questions that need to be addressed.
8:06:22 24 raise questions that need to be addressed.
18:06:24 25 Brenda had mentioned before, we was formed
8:06:24 25 Brenda had mentioned before, we was formed
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18:06:28 1 for the community. We're your outlet.
8:06:28 1 for the community. We're your outlet.
18:06:32 2 We're sort of like your board of
8:06:32 2 We're sort of like your board of
18:06:32 3 commissioners, board to go to to vent your
8:06:32 3 commissioners, board to go to to vent your
18:06:34 4 concerns to the TVA.
8:06:34 4 concerns to the TVA.
18:06:36 5 Like I said, we ask the questions.
8:06:36 5 Like I said, we ask the questions.
18:06:38 6 And you can ask, we're pretty persistent
8:06:38 6 And you can ask, we're pretty persistent
18:06:40 7 when we ask questions and we want answers
8:06:40 7 when we ask questions and we want answers
18:06:42 8 for our community. Because we're
8:06:42 8 for our community. Because we're
18:06:42 9 representing the community and the community
8:06:42 9 representing the community and the community
18:06:44 10 is just not somebody that we're going to be
8:06:44 10 is just not somebody that we're going to be
18:06:46 11 gone when the spill is over, because we're
8:06:46 11 gone when the spill is over, because we're
18:06:48 12 part of this community just like you're part
8:06:48 12 part of this community just like you're part
18:06:50 13 of this community. So we have a vested
8:06:50 13 of this community. So we have a vested
18:06:52 14 interest in seeing our community cleaned up,
8:06:52 14 interest in seeing our community cleaned up,
18:06:52 15 too. So please, please, please do not ever
8:06:52 15 too. So please, please, please do not ever
18:06:54 16 hesitate to contact anybody with the CAG,
8:06:54 16 hesitate to contact anybody with the CAG,
18:06:56 17 myself, Brenda, or anyone on the CAG and
8:06:56 17 myself, Brenda, or anyone on the CAG and
18:07:00 18 stop by and chat with us afterwards. Thank
8:07:00 18 stop by and chat with us afterwards. Thank
18:07:02 19 you.
8:07:02 19 you.
18:07:10 20 LEO FRANCENDESE: Hi. I'm Leo
8:07:10 20 LEO FRANCENDESE: Hi. I'm Leo
18:07:22 21 Francendese. I'm the on-scene coordinator
8:07:22 21 Francendese. I'm the on-scene coordinator
18:07:24 22 for the EPA. I have a short presentation
8:07:24 22 for the EPA. I have a short presentation
18:07:28 23 here. Should probably get through it in
8:07:28 23 here. Should probably get through it in
18:07:30 24 about 30 minutes. It's meaty. I'm sure
8:07:30 24 about 30 minutes. It's meaty. I'm sure
18:07:34 25 there will be a fair amount of questions
8:07:34 25 there will be a fair amount of questions
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18:07:36 1 that folks will want to talk about
8:07:36 1 that folks will want to talk about
18:07:38 2 afterwards. And I have a habit of walking
8:07:38 2 afterwards. And I have a habit of walking
18:07:42 3 around -- I have a habit of walking around,
8:07:42 3 around -- I have a habit of walking around,
18:07:46 4 so if you can tolerate that, I appreciate
8:07:46 4 so if you can tolerate that, I appreciate
18:07:50 5 it.
8:07:50 5 it.
18:07:54 6 All right. This is a -- I'm in
8:07:54 6 All right. This is a -- I'm in
18:07:56 7 charge for the EPA of the time-critical
8:07:56 7 charge for the EPA of the time-critical
18:08:00 8 phase. As Craig was introduced, he's in
8:08:00 8 phase. As Craig was introduced, he's in
18:08:02 9 charge for the non-time-critical phase.
8:08:02 9 charge for the non-time-critical phase.
18:08:04 10 This is -- from the EPA's perspective, this
8:08:04 10 This is -- from the EPA's perspective, this
18:08:08 11 is all done under an order with TVA using
8:08:08 11 is all done under an order with TVA using
18:08:12 12 CERCLA authority. We run a website that's a
8:08:12 12 CERCLA authority. We run a website that's a
18:08:20 13 fully dedicated page. We update it at least
8:08:20 13 fully dedicated page. We update it at least
18:08:24 14 every two days. It's chock full of
8:08:24 14 every two days. It's chock full of
18:08:28 15 information from every work plan we've
8:08:28 15 information from every work plan we've
18:08:30 16 approved to what are called pollution
8:08:30 16 approved to what are called pollution
18:08:34 17 reports and they are put out every two days.
8:08:34 17 reports and they are put out every two days.
18:08:40 18 The website is -- I think we're averaging
8:08:40 18 The website is -- I think we're averaging
18:08:46 19 several hundred hits a week. I've gotten a
8:08:46 19 several hundred hits a week. I've gotten a
18:08:50 20 lot of good feedback about information that
8:08:50 20 lot of good feedback about information that
18:08:52 21 they search for that they can't find and I
8:08:52 21 they search for that they can't find and I
18:08:54 22 encourage you to go to this website first
8:08:54 22 encourage you to go to this website first
18:08:58 23 instead of being frustrated by looking for
8:08:58 23 instead of being frustrated by looking for
18:09:00 24 numerous documents that you can't find.
8:09:00 24 numerous documents that you can't find.
18:09:04 25 Geographically, this is the
8:09:04 25 Geographically, this is the
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18:09:10 1 separation between the non-time-critical
8:09:10 1 separation between the non-time-critical
18:09:12 2 phase and the time-critical phase.
8:09:12 2 phase and the time-critical phase.
18:09:14 3 Everything in red is the time-critical
8:09:14 3 Everything in red is the time-critical
18:09:18 4 phase. It's time-critical because in the
8:09:18 4 phase. It's time-critical because in the
18:09:22 5 Agency's opinion, it's a continuous release
8:09:22 5 Agency's opinion, it's a continuous release
18:09:26 6 when it's in an environment, such as the
8:09:26 6 when it's in an environment, such as the
18:09:30 7 river, where it doesn't belong. In terms of
8:09:30 7 river, where it doesn't belong. In terms of
18:09:32 8 non-time-critical, when you get to the point
8:09:32 8 non-time-critical, when you get to the point
18:09:36 9 where it's contained or under control, you
8:09:36 9 where it's contained or under control, you
18:09:40 10 then move to a different phraseology which
8:09:40 10 then move to a different phraseology which
18:09:44 11 is called non-time-critical.
8:09:44 11 is called non-time-critical.
18:09:46 12 Really the dividing line that's
8:09:46 12 Really the dividing line that's
18:09:48 13 most talked about to decide that is a dike.
8:09:48 13 most talked about to decide that is a dike.
18:09:54 14 It's called Dike 2. That was one of our
8:09:54 14 It's called Dike 2. That was one of our
18:09:56 15 earlier response actions in order to keep
8:09:56 15 earlier response actions in order to keep
18:10:02 16 what broke from the failed impoundment from
8:10:02 16 what broke from the failed impoundment from
18:10:04 17 continuing to go in the river. So what
8:10:04 17 continuing to go in the river. So what
18:10:06 18 they've done is they've used this as the
8:10:06 18 they've done is they've used this as the
18:10:10 19 boundary line or maginot line.
8:10:10 19 boundary line or maginot line.
18:10:16 20 This is the current progress. We
8:10:16 20 This is the current progress. We
18:10:20 21 expect by the first week in May to have the
8:10:20 21 expect by the first week in May to have the
18:10:22 22 overwhelming amount of ash removed from the
8:10:22 22 overwhelming amount of ash removed from the
18:10:26 23 river. We expect by November to have that
8:10:26 23 river. We expect by November to have that
18:10:30 24 ash that's been removed from the river
8:10:30 24 ash that's been removed from the river
18:10:36 25 disposed of off site. One of the decisions
8:10:36 25 disposed of off site. One of the decisions
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18:10:38 1 we made early on was that the site was too
8:10:38 1 we made early on was that the site was too
18:10:42 2 unstable to keep that ash that we pulled out
8:10:42 2 unstable to keep that ash that we pulled out
18:10:46 3 of the river on site, so in order to move
8:10:46 3 of the river on site, so in order to move
18:10:48 4 with speed, we decided to incorporate off-
8:10:48 4 with speed, we decided to incorporate off-
18:10:52 5 site disposal and, as all of you know, we
8:10:52 5 site disposal and, as all of you know, we
18:10:54 6 went to a place called Arrowhead Landfill in
8:10:54 6 went to a place called Arrowhead Landfill in
18:10:58 7 Perry County, Alabama. We're on track with
8:10:58 7 Perry County, Alabama. We're on track with
18:11:02 8 both schedules.
8:11:02 8 both schedules.
18:11:06 9 This is a simple graphic. It's not
8:11:06 9 This is a simple graphic. It's not
18:11:10 10 meant for anything more than just a visual
8:11:10 10 meant for anything more than just a visual
18:11:12 11 understanding. I'll kind of help you with
8:11:12 11 understanding. I'll kind of help you with
18:11:18 12 the graphic here. Let's see if I can do
8:11:18 12 the graphic here. Let's see if I can do
18:11:22 13 this. Oh, there you go. This is two axes.
8:11:22 13 this. Oh, there you go. This is two axes.
18:11:30 14 The ash thickness goes from zero to 30 feet.
8:11:30 14 The ash thickness goes from zero to 30 feet.
18:11:34 15 If you look at the May, which is when the
8:11:34 15 If you look at the May, which is when the
18:11:38 16 order officially was signed, you'll see that
8:11:38 16 order officially was signed, you'll see that
18:11:42 17 there was a 30-foot plug and this is
8:11:42 17 there was a 30-foot plug and this is
18:11:46 18 distance -- it's hard to see here, but you
8:11:46 18 distance -- it's hard to see here, but you
18:11:50 19 can get this -- I'll post this power point
8:11:50 19 can get this -- I'll post this power point
18:11:52 20 on the web page in case folks want to see
8:11:52 20 on the web page in case folks want to see
18:11:54 21 it. You'll see here -- here we go. There
8:11:54 21 it. You'll see here -- here we go. There
18:12:00 22 it is. You'll see here that from here to
8:12:00 22 it is. You'll see here that from here to
18:12:04 23 here is about a mile and a half. So in a
8:12:04 23 here is about a mile and a half. So in a
18:12:08 24 mile and a half of the Emory River lies the
8:12:08 24 mile and a half of the Emory River lies the
18:12:10 25 big plug or bulk of where the ash is and
8:12:10 25 big plug or bulk of where the ash is and
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18:12:14 1 that's a 30-foot plug that sat in the
8:12:14 1 that's a 30-foot plug that sat in the
18:12:16 2 channel when we first started doing work in
8:12:16 2 channel when we first started doing work in
18:12:20 3 May.
8:12:20 3 May.
18:12:20 4 TVA had started a pilot project
8:12:20 4 TVA had started a pilot project
18:12:24 5 back in March and then once we learned from
8:12:24 5 back in March and then once we learned from
18:12:28 6 the pilot project what we were capable of
8:12:28 6 the pilot project what we were capable of
18:12:30 7 doing, that removal became accelerated.
8:12:30 7 doing, that removal became accelerated.
18:12:34 8 You'll see in November a substantial amount
8:12:34 8 You'll see in November a substantial amount
18:12:36 9 of that plug was already removed and then
8:12:36 9 of that plug was already removed and then
18:12:40 10 you come to December you'll see that it's
8:12:40 10 you come to December you'll see that it's
18:12:42 11 down to 15 feet. We also pecked away at the
8:12:42 11 down to 15 feet. We also pecked away at the
18:12:48 12 edges here. The yellow is where the areas
8:12:48 12 edges here. The yellow is where the areas
18:12:52 13 were removed. So finally, here we are.
8:12:52 13 were removed. So finally, here we are.
18:12:52 14 This last one, the January 8th one, that's
8:12:52 14 This last one, the January 8th one, that's
18:12:56 15 based on the -- we do a bathymetry and we
8:12:56 15 based on the -- we do a bathymetry and we
18:13:02 16 produce some fancy pictures. This is a
8:13:02 16 produce some fancy pictures. This is a
18:13:04 17 reduction of those fancy pictures. We've
8:13:04 17 reduction of those fancy pictures. We've
18:13:06 18 gone past that since the first week of
8:13:06 18 gone past that since the first week of
18:13:08 19 January. It's about another 200,000 yards
8:13:08 19 January. It's about another 200,000 yards
18:13:12 20 less than what's here. So we're now into
8:13:12 20 less than what's here. So we're now into
18:13:14 21 the single digits of height of what that
8:13:14 21 the single digits of height of what that
18:13:18 22 plug is.
8:13:18 22 plug is.
18:13:22 23 Next issue. We're using what's
8:13:22 23 Next issue. We're using what's
18:13:26 24 called the old ball field as our primary
8:13:26 24 called the old ball field as our primary
18:13:28 25 processing area. Until now we've operated
8:13:28 25 processing area. Until now we've operated
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18:13:32 1 at a maximum height of 15 feet. I recently
8:13:32 1 at a maximum height of 15 feet. I recently
18:13:40 2 approved the work plan to go to 30 feet and
8:13:40 2 approved the work plan to go to 30 feet and
18:13:42 3 that's temporary. And that work plan has
8:13:42 3 that's temporary. And that work plan has
18:13:44 4 been reviewed by some international
8:13:44 4 been reviewed by some international
18:13:48 5 engineers at AECOM, Geosyntec, and most
8:13:48 5 engineers at AECOM, Geosyntec, and most
18:13:52 6 importantly from my end, I brought in the
8:13:52 6 importantly from my end, I brought in the
18:13:56 7 national dam safety experts to review all
8:13:56 7 national dam safety experts to review all
18:14:00 8 our land-based operations including dikes,
8:14:00 8 our land-based operations including dikes,
18:14:04 9 materials handling, and storage of
8:14:04 9 materials handling, and storage of
18:14:06 10 materials. I'm very confident with the
8:14:06 10 materials. I'm very confident with the
18:14:08 11 work plan that they came up with, that that
8:14:08 11 work plan that they came up with, that that
18:14:12 12 30-feet height is safe and you won't
8:14:12 12 30-feet height is safe and you won't
18:14:16 13 experience what was experienced prior with
8:14:16 13 experience what was experienced prior with
18:14:18 14 the failed cell.
8:14:18 14 the failed cell.
18:14:22 15 I'd like to talk a little bit about
8:14:22 15 I'd like to talk a little bit about
18:14:24 16 the advisory and the closure that exists
8:14:24 16 the advisory and the closure that exists
17 that's set to expire. And the Coast Guard
18:14:32 18 is here. Raise your hand, Coast Guard.
8:14:32 18 is here. Raise your hand, Coast Guard.
18:14:32 19 Coast Guard is in the back. I have to
8:14:32 19 Coast Guard is in the back. I have to
18:14:34 20 coordinate these kind of decisions with the
8:14:34 20 coordinate these kind of decisions with the
18:14:36 21 Coast Guard. This is not considered a
8:14:36 21 Coast Guard. This is not considered a
18:14:38 22 commercial waterway. It's considered a
8:14:38 22 commercial waterway. It's considered a
18:14:42 23 recreational waterway. The Coast Guard has
8:14:42 23 recreational waterway. The Coast Guard has
18:14:46 24 been of great assistance both in terms of
8:14:46 24 been of great assistance both in terms of
18:14:48 25 health and safety oversight, exclusion zone
8:14:48 25 health and safety oversight, exclusion zone
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18:14:54 1 control, and also taking care of how well
8:14:54 1 control, and also taking care of how well
18:14:58 2 traffic is managed within the Emory River.
8:14:58 2 traffic is managed within the Emory River.
18:15:02 3 There's a small navy working in the river.
8:15:02 3 There's a small navy working in the river.
18:15:06 4 The current closure -- is it
8:15:06 4 The current closure -- is it
18:15:10 5 February 10th? The 15th. The current
8:15:10 5 February 10th? The 15th. The current
18:15:14 6 closure is set to expire February 15th. We
8:15:14 6 closure is set to expire February 15th. We
18:15:18 7 will have to extend that. You saw on the
8:15:18 7 will have to extend that. You saw on the
18:15:22 8 previous slide that we'll be going to the
8:15:22 8 previous slide that we'll be going to the
18:15:24 9 first week in May to remove the overwhelming
8:15:24 9 first week in May to remove the overwhelming
18:15:28 10 amount of ash from the river. I'm not sure
8:15:28 10 amount of ash from the river. I'm not sure
18:15:34 11 -- this is such a small pointer. Can you
8:15:34 11 -- this is such a small pointer. Can you
18:15:38 12 folks see that from back there, this little
8:15:38 12 folks see that from back there, this little
18:15:40 13 red dot? It's hard. Huh? Let me play with
8:15:40 13 red dot? It's hard. Huh? Let me play with
18:15:44 14 this little arrow.
8:15:44 14 this little arrow.
18:15:46 15 The current closure boundaries are
8:15:46 15 The current closure boundaries are
18:15:48 16 right here and right there. There's an
8:15:48 16 right here and right there. There's an
18:15:52 17 advisory in the river from here to there,
8:15:52 17 advisory in the river from here to there,
18:15:56 18 Mile marker 4 to mile marker zero. But I
8:15:56 18 Mile marker 4 to mile marker zero. But I
18:16:00 19 have a closure within the advisory area
8:16:00 19 have a closure within the advisory area
18:16:02 20 because that's where the lion's share of the
8:16:02 20 because that's where the lion's share of the
18:16:04 21 navy works. I have to go get ash -- and I
8:16:04 21 navy works. I have to go get ash -- and I
18:16:10 22 really tried hard to get these -- they're
8:16:10 22 really tried hard to get these -- they're
18:16:14 23 called stratographs. We're doing a lot of
8:16:14 23 called stratographs. We're doing a lot of
18:16:16 24 quarrying in the river to find out where the
8:16:16 24 quarrying in the river to find out where the
18:16:18 25 rest of the ash is or has moved to. And I
8:16:18 25 rest of the ash is or has moved to. And I
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18:16:22 1 didn't have -- I tried to get them ready for
8:16:22 1 didn't have -- I tried to get them ready for
18:16:24 2 this meeting and I got them at 5:30, so I
8:16:24 2 this meeting and I got them at 5:30, so I
18:16:26 3 apologize. There will be a work plan coming
8:16:26 3 apologize. There will be a work plan coming
18:16:28 4 out for the next phase of dredging where we
8:16:28 4 out for the next phase of dredging where we
18:16:30 5 go chase this material.
8:16:30 5 go chase this material.
18:16:32 6 So we have -- right along the right
8:16:32 6 So we have -- right along the right
18:16:38 7 side of this bank, we have ash that we have
8:16:38 7 side of this bank, we have ash that we have
18:16:44 8 to go chase, meaning I have to dredge down
8:16:44 8 to go chase, meaning I have to dredge down
18:16:48 9 there. I have a closure, of course, up to
8:16:48 9 there. I have a closure, of course, up to
18:16:52 10 here, you know, where I showed you that.
8:16:52 10 here, you know, where I showed you that.
18:16:54 11 This is so annoying. Sorry. I have the
8:16:54 11 This is so annoying. Sorry. I have the
18:17:00 12 closure up to there. I'm not quite sure
8:17:00 12 closure up to there. I'm not quite sure
18:17:02 13 whether the closure needs to be extended all
8:17:02 13 whether the closure needs to be extended all
18:17:06 14 the way to where we're working towards mile
8:17:06 14 the way to where we're working towards mile
18:17:08 15 marker zero. There may be some other ways.
8:17:08 15 marker zero. There may be some other ways.
18:17:10 16 I know that there's a fair amount of demand
8:17:10 16 I know that there's a fair amount of demand
18:17:14 17 for folks who want access in here. I'd like
8:17:14 17 for folks who want access in here. I'd like
18:17:20 18 some feedback after the meeting about maybe
8:17:20 18 some feedback after the meeting about maybe
18:17:22 19 there's some alternatives. It's basically
8:17:22 19 there's some alternatives. It's basically
18:17:24 20 I'll have a dredge out there with a dredge
8:17:24 20 I'll have a dredge out there with a dredge
18:17:26 21 pipe and I need a buffer zone of safety
8:17:26 21 pipe and I need a buffer zone of safety
18:17:30 22 around that pipe in order to ensure that no
8:17:30 22 around that pipe in order to ensure that no
18:17:32 23 one gets hurt. So, again, I'm sure that
8:17:32 23 one gets hurt. So, again, I'm sure that
18:17:38 24 will be part of the Q and A after the
8:17:38 24 will be part of the Q and A after the
18:17:40 25 presentation.
8:17:40 25 presentation.
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18:17:44 1 We do water quality monitoring.
8:17:44 1 We do water quality monitoring.
18:17:46 2 TVA does it twice a week. TDEC does it
8:17:46 2 TVA does it twice a week. TDEC does it
18:17:48 3 twice a week. There's also storm-based
8:17:48 3 twice a week. There's also storm-based
18:17:52 4 sampling. The trigger is more than half an
8:17:52 4 sampling. The trigger is more than half an
18:17:56 5 inch, more than an inch and/or an increase
8:17:56 5 inch, more than an inch and/or an increase
18:18:00 6 of over 5,000 cubic feet per second of
8:18:00 6 of over 5,000 cubic feet per second of
18:18:04 7 stream flow. I split samples with TVA for
8:18:04 7 stream flow. I split samples with TVA for
18:18:08 8 all storm events. There have been easily
8:18:08 8 all storm events. There have been easily
18:18:12 9 over a dozen storm events and to date in
8:18:12 9 over a dozen storm events and to date in
18:18:16 10 terms of my samples compared to their
8:18:16 10 terms of my samples compared to their
18:18:20 11 samples, we're within 1 or 2 percent of
8:18:20 11 samples, we're within 1 or 2 percent of
18:18:22 12 their sample results, which is actually kind
8:18:22 12 their sample results, which is actually kind
18:18:24 13 of unusual. I don't normally get that kind
8:18:24 13 of unusual. I don't normally get that kind
18:18:28 14 of accuracy in split samples.
8:18:28 14 of accuracy in split samples.
18:18:30 15 Again, to reiterate, TVA and TDEC
8:18:30 15 Again, to reiterate, TVA and TDEC
18:18:36 16 do monitoring that extends all the way down
8:18:36 16 do monitoring that extends all the way down
18:18:40 17 -- I'm going to try this little laser again.
8:18:40 17 -- I'm going to try this little laser again.
18:18:44 18 They extend their monitoring all the way
8:18:44 18 They extend their monitoring all the way
18:18:46 19 down to Tennessee River marker 563 and
8:18:46 19 down to Tennessee River marker 563 and
18:18:50 20 there's a whole lot of monitoring that takes
8:18:50 20 there's a whole lot of monitoring that takes
18:18:52 21 place right around the site proper. Let's
8:18:52 21 place right around the site proper. Let's
18:18:56 22 talk about those results a little bit.
8:18:56 22 talk about those results a little bit.
18:19:00 23 Two of the driving compounds or
8:19:00 23 Two of the driving compounds or
18:19:04 24 metals are arsenic and selenium. Arsenic by
8:19:04 24 metals are arsenic and selenium. Arsenic by
18:19:10 25 far is the best metal to track in terms of
8:19:10 25 far is the best metal to track in terms of
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18:19:18 1 what is the impact of this ash spill in the
8:19:18 1 what is the impact of this ash spill in the
18:19:22 2 river. What you're looking at right there
8:19:22 2 river. What you're looking at right there
18:19:28 3 are -- is a graph on the right side. Can
8:19:28 3 are -- is a graph on the right side. Can
18:19:32 4 folks hear me if the mic moves away from my
8:19:32 4 folks hear me if the mic moves away from my
18:19:36 5 mouth? Okay. I'll do this. So the graph
8:19:36 5 mouth? Okay. I'll do this. So the graph
18:19:46 6 on the right side, the top one is embayment,
8:19:46 6 on the right side, the top one is embayment,
18:19:48 7 the second one is dredge plume, the third
8:19:48 7 the second one is dredge plume, the third
18:19:52 8 one is stilling pond, and the fourth one is
8:19:52 8 one is stilling pond, and the fourth one is
18:19:54 9 plant effluent. Then you have the Emory
8:19:54 9 plant effluent. Then you have the Emory
18:19:56 10 River, the Clinch, and the Tennessee.
8:19:56 10 River, the Clinch, and the Tennessee.
18:19:58 11 Over here, that's what we call the
8:19:58 11 Over here, that's what we call the
18:20:00 12 embayment. That's the plume area, that's
8:20:00 12 embayment. That's the plume area, that's
18:20:04 13 the stilling pond, and that's the plant
8:20:04 13 the stilling pond, and that's the plant
18:20:08 14 effluent. It's obvious when you look at the
8:20:08 14 effluent. It's obvious when you look at the
18:20:10 15 embayment sampling that there's elevated
8:20:10 15 embayment sampling that there's elevated
18:20:14 16 levels of arsenic, but they're below the
8:20:14 16 levels of arsenic, but they're below the
18:20:22 17 Tennessee fish and aquatic life criteria.
8:20:22 17 Tennessee fish and aquatic life criteria.
18:20:24 18 That's what all that green means. The red
8:20:24 18 That's what all that green means. The red
18:20:26 19 line on top is the exceedance concentration
8:20:26 19 line on top is the exceedance concentration
18:20:30 20 which is 150 parts per billion. In the
8:20:30 20 which is 150 parts per billion. In the
18:20:36 21 dredge plume itself, again you'll see
8:20:36 21 dredge plume itself, again you'll see
18:20:38 22 elevated levels of arsenic. Again they are
8:20:38 22 elevated levels of arsenic. Again they are
18:20:42 23 below the 150 parts per billion. But there
8:20:42 23 below the 150 parts per billion. But there
18:20:46 24 are elevated metals next to the -- right in
8:20:46 24 are elevated metals next to the -- right in
18:20:48 25 the spill zone.
8:20:48 25 the spill zone.
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18:20:52 1 Now we get to the stilling pond.
8:20:52 1 Now we get to the stilling pond.
18:20:54 2 The way the process works, in case folks
8:20:54 2 The way the process works, in case folks
18:20:58 3 haven't explained it to you before, we
8:20:58 3 haven't explained it to you before, we
18:21:00 4 dredge out of here and we draw up through
8:21:00 4 dredge out of here and we draw up through
18:21:02 5 what's called a rim ditch and a sluice
8:21:02 5 what's called a rim ditch and a sluice
18:21:08 6 trench. And all that really is is a place
8:21:08 6 trench. And all that really is is a place
18:21:10 7 to settle out the ash that we pull out of
8:21:10 7 to settle out the ash that we pull out of
18:21:12 8 the river. Then anything that doesn't
8:21:12 8 the river. Then anything that doesn't
18:21:14 9 settle out here, goes into this pond and
8:21:14 9 settle out here, goes into this pond and
18:21:16 10 then from that pond, it goes into another
8:21:16 10 then from that pond, it goes into another
18:21:18 11 pond and those are polishing steps.
8:21:18 11 pond and those are polishing steps.
18:21:22 12 At the stilling pond, TVA meets
8:21:22 12 At the stilling pond, TVA meets
18:21:26 13 their permit requirements. Their permit
8:21:26 13 their permit requirements. Their permit
18:21:30 14 requirements are primarily based on total
8:21:30 14 requirements are primarily based on total
18:21:32 15 suspended solids. We still do note that
8:21:32 15 suspended solids. We still do note that
18:21:36 16 there are elevated arsenic levels that come
8:21:36 16 there are elevated arsenic levels that come
18:21:40 17 about as part of our operations to remove
8:21:40 17 about as part of our operations to remove
18:21:42 18 the material from the water. You'll see
8:21:42 18 the material from the water. You'll see
18:21:46 19 some elevated levels here in the plant
8:21:46 19 some elevated levels here in the plant
18:21:50 20 effluent. That's right there. This water
8:21:50 20 effluent. That's right there. This water
18:21:52 21 eventually makes its way through here. The
8:21:52 21 eventually makes its way through here. The
18:21:56 22 Emory, the Clinch, and the Tennessee are
8:21:56 22 Emory, the Clinch, and the Tennessee are
18:22:00 23 pretty stable. There's not much evidence of
8:22:00 23 pretty stable. There's not much evidence of
18:22:04 24 elevated concentrations.
8:22:04 24 elevated concentrations.
18:22:12 25 Now, I think Randy noted that peak
8:22:12 25 Now, I think Randy noted that peak
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18:22:16 1 storm sampling events, we -- this was
8:22:16 1 storm sampling events, we -- this was
18:22:20 2 actually before the order -- but we did not
8:22:20 2 actually before the order -- but we did not
18:22:24 3 sample during the May peak storm event and
8:22:24 3 sample during the May peak storm event and
18:22:28 4 we did not sample during the December peak
8:22:28 4 we did not sample during the December peak
18:22:30 5 storm event. Since then, through the CAG's
8:22:30 5 storm event. Since then, through the CAG's
18:22:34 6 encouragement and suggestion, TVA has
8:22:34 6 encouragement and suggestion, TVA has
18:22:36 7 installed a custom built -- I think they
8:22:36 7 installed a custom built -- I think they
18:22:40 8 built it in five weeks -- remote sampler
8:22:40 8 built it in five weeks -- remote sampler
18:22:42 9 that can catch the peaks for these storm
8:22:42 9 that can catch the peaks for these storm
18:22:44 10 events. But all that data that you're
8:22:44 10 events. But all that data that you're
18:22:46 11 looking at, all that data that you're
8:22:46 11 looking at, all that data that you're
18:22:48 12 looking at right there includes many storm
8:22:48 12 looking at right there includes many storm
18:22:50 13 events.
8:22:50 13 events.
18:22:50 14 What we're finding is that 5,000
8:22:50 14 What we're finding is that 5,000
18:22:54 15 CFS, 10,000 CFS, 15,000 CFS -- we haven't
8:22:54 15 CFS, 10,000 CFS, 15,000 CFS -- we haven't
18:23:02 16 had many between 15,000 and 50. But up to
8:23:02 16 had many between 15,000 and 50. But up to
18:23:04 17 15,000 we're seeing minimal migration.
8:23:04 17 15,000 we're seeing minimal migration.
18:23:10 18 Above 15,000 when you start to hit these 50s
8:23:10 18 Above 15,000 when you start to hit these 50s
18:23:12 19 and 60s, I'll show you another slide because
8:23:12 19 and 60s, I'll show you another slide because
18:23:16 20 we do have migration during these events.
8:23:16 20 we do have migration during these events.
18:23:18 21 All right. Selenium. The selenium
8:23:18 21 All right. Selenium. The selenium
18:23:24 22 standard is 5 parts per billion. It's a
8:23:24 22 standard is 5 parts per billion. It's a
18:23:26 23 fish and aquatic life standard. Again
8:23:26 23 fish and aquatic life standard. Again
18:23:28 24 you'll see -- sorry. Again you'll see that
8:23:28 24 you'll see -- sorry. Again you'll see that
18:23:50 25 the green means -- this red line, that's the
8:23:50 25 the green means -- this red line, that's the
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18:23:52 1 standard line. That's 5 parts per billion.
8:23:52 1 standard line. That's 5 parts per billion.
18:23:54 2 You'll see in the plant effluent, the
8:23:54 2 You'll see in the plant effluent, the
18:23:58 3 Tennessee, the Clinch, and the Emory River
8:23:58 3 Tennessee, the Clinch, and the Emory River
18:24:02 4 you meet that criteria. This is water
8:24:02 4 you meet that criteria. This is water
18:24:04 5 quality. But you'll also see that out of
8:24:04 5 quality. But you'll also see that out of
18:24:06 6 the stilling pond and a little bit out of
8:24:06 6 the stilling pond and a little bit out of
18:24:08 7 the dredge plume and certainly out of the
8:24:08 7 the dredge plume and certainly out of the
18:24:12 8 embayment area that selenium is generated
8:24:12 8 embayment area that selenium is generated
18:24:16 9 that exceeds this criteria.
8:24:16 9 that exceeds this criteria.
18:24:18 10 Now, the good news is that this
8:24:18 10 Now, the good news is that this
18:24:22 11 selenium -- this embayment sampling, we're
8:24:22 11 selenium -- this embayment sampling, we're
18:24:26 12 actually towards the tail end of the
8:24:26 12 actually towards the tail end of the
18:24:28 13 embayment cleanup. We probably have
8:24:28 13 embayment cleanup. We probably have
18:24:30 14 another, I believe, 40,000 yards to pull out
8:24:30 14 another, I believe, 40,000 yards to pull out
18:24:34 15 of the embayment. That drainage that comes
8:24:34 15 of the embayment. That drainage that comes
18:24:36 16 out of there is now closed off. We're doing
8:24:36 16 out of there is now closed off. We're doing
18:24:38 17 that as a final polishing dig. You can
8:24:38 17 that as a final polishing dig. You can
18:24:42 18 already see when you blow up this -- when
8:24:42 18 already see when you blow up this -- when
18:24:44 19 you blow up this data and look at it in the
8:24:44 19 you blow up this data and look at it in the
18:24:46 20 longer time line, you can see that as you
8:24:46 20 longer time line, you can see that as you
18:24:50 21 remove the ash, you reduce these metal
8:24:50 21 remove the ash, you reduce these metal
18:24:56 22 concentrations.
8:24:56 22 concentrations.
18:24:56 23 Okay. Let's talk about migration.
8:24:56 23 Okay. Let's talk about migration.
18:25:00 24 What you're looking at, this map was
8:25:00 24 What you're looking at, this map was
18:25:04 25 generated I believe it was the first couple
8:25:04 25 generated I believe it was the first couple
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18:25:06 1 of weeks that EPA and TVA had joined in this
8:25:06 1 of weeks that EPA and TVA had joined in this
18:25:10 2 order. Originally we had estimated -- we
8:25:10 2 order. Originally we had estimated -- we
18:25:14 3 did this with basic information that was
8:25:14 3 did this with basic information that was
18:25:16 4 available, incomplete information. And we
8:25:16 4 available, incomplete information. And we
18:25:20 5 had originally estimated between 75,000 and
8:25:20 5 had originally estimated between 75,000 and
18:25:24 6 200,000 yards of ash had moved during that
8:25:24 6 200,000 yards of ash had moved during that
18:25:26 7 storm event. Since then the corps has been
8:25:26 7 storm event. Since then the corps has been
18:25:30 8 very good -- that's the corps out of
8:25:30 8 very good -- that's the corps out of
18:25:32 9 Mississippi. I'm using a gentleman, another
8:25:32 9 Mississippi. I'm using a gentleman, another
18:25:34 10 national expert who's very familiar with how
8:25:34 10 national expert who's very familiar with how
18:25:38 11 to use this transport model. So his most
8:25:38 11 to use this transport model. So his most
18:25:42 12 recent calculations are between 100,000 and
8:25:42 12 recent calculations are between 100,000 and
18:25:46 13 150,000 yards migrated during the May event
8:25:46 13 150,000 yards migrated during the May event
18:25:48 14 in 2009 and the speed of the Emory was
8:25:48 14 in 2009 and the speed of the Emory was
18:25:54 15 70,000 CFS, cubic feet per second.
8:25:54 15 70,000 CFS, cubic feet per second.
18:25:58 16 Now, the December event we had
8:25:58 16 Now, the December event we had
18:26:00 17 50,000 cubic feet per second. Again,
8:26:00 17 50,000 cubic feet per second. Again,
18:26:04 18 model-wise, we only moved 10 to 20,000 cubic
8:26:04 18 model-wise, we only moved 10 to 20,000 cubic
18:26:10 19 yards. Then I had them working feverishly
8:26:10 19 yards. Then I had them working feverishly
18:26:14 20 today to figure out how much moved during
8:26:14 20 today to figure out how much moved during
18:26:16 21 this event and his model predicts 10 to
8:26:16 21 this event and his model predicts 10 to
18:26:22 22 20,000 cubic yards. So I look at that and I
8:26:22 22 20,000 cubic yards. So I look at that and I
18:26:24 23 say, well, what changed? You know, why did
8:26:24 23 say, well, what changed? You know, why did
18:26:26 24 I move 100 to 150,000 in May and I only
8:26:26 24 I move 100 to 150,000 in May and I only
18:26:28 25 moved 10 to 20 in December and January? And
8:26:28 25 moved 10 to 20 in December and January? And
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18:26:32 1 the main answer is, remember that image that
8:26:32 1 the main answer is, remember that image that
18:26:34 2 I showed you, the blue and yellow image
8:26:34 2 I showed you, the blue and yellow image
18:26:38 3 where the plug was sitting in the river?
8:26:38 3 where the plug was sitting in the river?
18:26:40 4 Once you remove the plug, you significantly
8:26:40 4 Once you remove the plug, you significantly
18:26:44 5 change the force of all this water hitting
8:26:44 5 change the force of all this water hitting
18:26:50 6 the plug and scouring it and then that force
8:26:50 6 the plug and scouring it and then that force
18:26:54 7 just pushes the ash down river because it's
8:26:54 7 just pushes the ash down river because it's
18:26:58 8 hit resistance.
8:26:58 8 hit resistance.
18:26:58 9 Well, now the channel is open.
8:26:58 9 Well, now the channel is open.
18:27:00 10 We're now into the last phase of the
8:27:00 10 We're now into the last phase of the
18:27:04 11 time-critical dredging where we're getting
8:27:04 11 time-critical dredging where we're getting
18:27:08 12 -- we're really not dealing with the plug
8:27:08 12 -- we're really not dealing with the plug
18:27:10 13 anymore. So once you've removed that plug,
8:27:10 13 anymore. So once you've removed that plug,
18:27:12 14 you change the dynamics of how much force is
8:27:12 14 you change the dynamics of how much force is
18:27:16 15 present to push that ash down river. So
8:27:16 15 present to push that ash down river. So
18:27:18 16 that's why those numbers have changed so
8:27:18 16 that's why those numbers have changed so
18:27:20 17 dramatically. 10 to 20 versus 100 to
8:27:20 17 dramatically. 10 to 20 versus 100 to
18:27:26 18 150,000. So, yes, we have migration at
8:27:26 18 150,000. So, yes, we have migration at
18:27:32 19 these high events. We don't appear to have
8:27:32 19 these high events. We don't appear to have
18:27:32 20 substantial migration, 15,000 CFS and below.
8:27:32 20 substantial migration, 15,000 CFS and below.
18:27:38 21 But when you get up to these numbers, there
8:27:38 21 But when you get up to these numbers, there
18:27:40 22 is migration. As you remove that ash,
8:27:40 22 is migration. As you remove that ash,
18:27:42 23 there's less migration. As you remove that
8:27:42 23 there's less migration. As you remove that
18:27:46 24 plug, you have an order of magnitude
8:27:46 24 plug, you have an order of magnitude
18:27:48 25 difference in migration threat from a pretty
8:27:48 25 difference in migration threat from a pretty
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18:27:52 1 close to the May event storm -- the May
8:27:52 1 close to the May event storm -- the May
18:27:56 2 storm event.
8:27:56 2 storm event.
18:27:58 3 Now, I caution everybody. Models
8:27:58 3 Now, I caution everybody. Models
18:28:00 4 are nice. They're estimates. This map that
8:28:00 4 are nice. They're estimates. This map that
18:28:06 5 you're looking at, that's an estimate. Our
8:28:06 5 you're looking at, that's an estimate. Our
18:28:08 6 original 75 to 200,000 estimate, that was an
8:28:08 6 original 75 to 200,000 estimate, that was an
18:28:12 7 estimate. All this data never arrives at a
8:28:12 7 estimate. All this data never arrives at a
18:28:18 8 final answer where, you know, I could call
8:28:18 8 final answer where, you know, I could call
18:28:22 9 my mother up and say, hey, you know, mom,
8:28:22 9 my mother up and say, hey, you know, mom,
18:28:26 10 this is the answer. They're all suspect to
8:28:26 10 this is the answer. They're all suspect to
18:28:28 11 their own variability.
8:28:28 11 their own variability.
18:28:30 12 So I look at this and I look at it
8:28:30 12 So I look at this and I look at it
18:28:32 13 in terms of a more macro concept of threat
8:28:32 13 in terms of a more macro concept of threat
18:28:38 14 of migration is diminishing. That's the
8:28:38 14 of migration is diminishing. That's the
18:28:40 15 number one point I take from this, is that
8:28:40 15 number one point I take from this, is that
18:28:42 16 I'm still migrating during big storms, but
8:28:42 16 I'm still migrating during big storms, but
18:28:46 17 threat of migration has diminished by an
8:28:46 17 threat of migration has diminished by an
18:28:50 18 order of magnitude.
8:28:50 18 order of magnitude.
18:28:52 19 Next slide. The primary threat
8:28:52 19 Next slide. The primary threat
18:28:54 20 here in terms of water is people drinking
8:28:54 20 here in terms of water is people drinking
18:29:00 21 contaminated water. That's not happening.
8:29:00 21 contaminated water. That's not happening.
18:29:02 22 This facility gets sampled every day with
8:29:02 22 This facility gets sampled every day with
18:29:04 23 oversight from TDEC and the treated water
8:29:04 23 oversight from TDEC and the treated water
18:29:06 24 has met what are called MCLs, maximum
8:29:06 24 has met what are called MCLs, maximum
18:29:12 25 contaminant levels. And I believe -- and
8:29:12 25 contaminant levels. And I believe -- and
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18:29:16 1 correct me if I'm wrong, Barbara -- but the
8:29:16 1 correct me if I'm wrong, Barbara -- but the
18:29:18 2 untreated water also met MCLs going into the
8:29:18 2 untreated water also met MCLs going into the
18:29:22 3 facility. But Barbara is my counterpart
8:29:22 3 facility. But Barbara is my counterpart
18:29:24 4 with TDEC. That's correct.
8:29:24 4 with TDEC. That's correct.
18:29:32 5 All right. So what does this mean?
8:29:32 5 All right. So what does this mean?
18:29:34 6 Water adjacent to the site has elevated
8:29:34 6 Water adjacent to the site has elevated
18:29:36 7 metals. Migration does occur at the highest
8:29:36 7 metals. Migration does occur at the highest
18:29:38 8 flow events. I already talked about those
8:29:38 8 flow events. I already talked about those
18:29:38 9 numbers. I've already talked about at the
8:29:38 9 numbers. I've already talked about at the
18:29:42 10 request of the CAG, TVA has installed this
8:29:42 10 request of the CAG, TVA has installed this
18:29:44 11 custom built device. Y'all see contaminant
8:29:44 11 custom built device. Y'all see contaminant
18:29:48 12 data at -- that's mile marker point 5;
8:29:48 12 data at -- that's mile marker point 5;
18:29:54 13 right? And it's a depth that -- Steve, you
8:29:54 13 right? And it's a depth that -- Steve, you
18:29:54 14 asked me about this I think a week ago.
8:29:54 14 asked me about this I think a week ago.
18:29:58 15 It's a depth of 15 feet, that sampling
8:29:58 15 It's a depth of 15 feet, that sampling
18:30:04 16 station. Is that correct? I think they've
8:30:04 16 station. Is that correct? I think they've
18:30:10 17 -- this event will be their third or fourth
8:30:10 17 -- this event will be their third or fourth
18:30:12 18 event. Third. Again, drinking water
8:30:12 18 event. Third. Again, drinking water
18:30:18 19 continues to meet the criteria.
8:30:18 19 continues to meet the criteria.
18:30:20 20 All right. We did a -- we have
8:30:20 20 All right. We did a -- we have
18:30:24 21 done several audits on site. I've done
8:30:24 21 done several audits on site. I've done
18:30:26 22 health and safety audits, again with
8:30:26 22 health and safety audits, again with
18:30:28 23 national experts. We've already had two
8:30:28 23 national experts. We've already had two
18:30:30 24 prior air data audits. This time we did a
8:30:30 24 prior air data audits. This time we did a
18:30:34 25 multimedia audit where we looked at all
8:30:34 25 multimedia audit where we looked at all
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18:30:38 1 media, air, sediment, soil, water, biota.
8:30:38 1 media, air, sediment, soil, water, biota.
18:30:44 2 For soil, sediment, water and biota, no
8:30:44 2 For soil, sediment, water and biota, no
18:30:44 3 significant deficiencies.
8:30:44 3 significant deficiencies.
18:30:46 4 For air, all of the air data was
8:30:46 4 For air, all of the air data was
18:30:52 5 good except for this component. These are
8:30:52 5 good except for this component. These are
18:30:56 6 PM 2.5 and PM 10 particulate filter media.
8:30:56 6 PM 2.5 and PM 10 particulate filter media.
18:31:04 7 That's a station. Looks like about that
8:31:04 7 That's a station. Looks like about that
18:31:06 8 except it's aluminum, sucks air, sucks air
8:31:06 8 except it's aluminum, sucks air, sucks air
18:31:08 9 through a filter media. We have five
8:31:08 9 through a filter media. We have five
18:31:10 10 primary stations. I'll walk you through
8:31:10 10 primary stations. I'll walk you through
18:31:12 11 this.
8:31:12 11 this.
18:31:18 12 Next slide. That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
8:31:18 12 Next slide. That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
18:31:20 13 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. This is the Harriman
8:31:20 13 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. This is the Harriman
18:31:26 14 compliance station. That's part of the
8:31:26 14 compliance station. That's part of the
18:31:30 15 Clean Air Act. I don't really depend on
8:31:30 15 Clean Air Act. I don't really depend on
18:31:32 16 this very much because it's kind of removed
8:31:32 16 this very much because it's kind of removed
18:31:34 17 from the site. It's good for larger,
8:31:34 17 from the site. It's good for larger,
18:31:36 18 regional trends, but it's really not the
8:31:36 18 regional trends, but it's really not the
18:31:38 19 best tool for managing what's going on on
8:31:38 19 best tool for managing what's going on on
18:31:42 20 the site. Each one of these stations does
8:31:42 20 the site. Each one of these stations does
18:31:44 21 some type of filter-based media. From
8:31:44 21 some type of filter-based media. From
18:31:48 22 September to January, that data did not meet
8:31:48 22 September to January, that data did not meet
18:31:52 23 quality assurance. In Agency speak, in
8:31:52 23 quality assurance. In Agency speak, in
18:32:00 24 Government speak, we do what's called a
8:32:00 24 Government speak, we do what's called a
18:32:02 25 quality assurance project plan. It's pretty
8:32:02 25 quality assurance project plan. It's pretty
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18:32:06 1 rigid. It's pretty disciplined. Data, for
8:32:06 1 rigid. It's pretty disciplined. Data, for
18:32:16 2 whatever reason, whether it's done with the
8:32:16 2 whatever reason, whether it's done with the
18:32:16 3 wrong method or whether it's collected
8:32:16 3 wrong method or whether it's collected
18:32:20 4 improperly or if your sampling plan doesn't
8:32:20 4 improperly or if your sampling plan doesn't
18:32:22 5 make sense in terms of the question you're
8:32:22 5 make sense in terms of the question you're
18:32:24 6 trying to answer, that data will get
8:32:24 6 trying to answer, that data will get
18:32:28 7 rejected, meaning it won't enter into the
8:32:28 7 rejected, meaning it won't enter into the
18:32:30 8 environmental database for decision making.
8:32:30 8 environmental database for decision making.
18:32:34 9 This data -- and so that's that
8:32:34 9 This data -- and so that's that
18:32:36 10 bullet right there. This data from these
8:32:36 10 bullet right there. This data from these
18:32:38 11 filter-based samples does not meet that
8:32:38 11 filter-based samples does not meet that
18:32:42 12 criteria. It didn't meet QA. So we're not
8:32:42 12 criteria. It didn't meet QA. So we're not
18:32:46 13 using that data for this site. However,
8:32:46 13 using that data for this site. However,
18:32:50 14 other data did meet criteria, this quality
8:32:50 14 other data did meet criteria, this quality
18:32:54 15 assured criteria. This location right here,
8:32:54 15 assured criteria. This location right here,
18:32:56 16 this station, that's the most important
8:32:56 16 this station, that's the most important
18:32:58 17 station on the site. That's downwind of the
8:32:58 17 station on the site. That's downwind of the
18:33:02 18 prevailing winds. It's loaded with a
8:33:02 18 prevailing winds. It's loaded with a
18:33:04 19 variety of different sampling. You have a
8:33:04 19 variety of different sampling. You have a
18:33:08 20 continuous monitor for PM 10. That's
8:33:08 20 continuous monitor for PM 10. That's
18:33:12 21 particulate matter 10, bigger sized
8:33:12 21 particulate matter 10, bigger sized
18:33:16 22 particles. You have a continuous monitor
8:33:16 22 particles. You have a continuous monitor
18:33:16 23 for PM 2.5. That's the smaller piece.
8:33:16 23 for PM 2.5. That's the smaller piece.
18:33:20 24 That's the particles that go deeper into
8:33:20 24 That's the particles that go deeper into
18:33:22 25 your lungs. That's also silica monitoring
8:33:22 25 your lungs. That's also silica monitoring
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18:33:26 1 that takes place there, there's metals
8:33:26 1 that takes place there, there's metals
18:33:26 2 monitoring that takes place there. And what
8:33:26 2 monitoring that takes place there. And what
18:33:32 3 else? That's also where TDEC has their own
8:33:32 3 else? That's also where TDEC has their own
18:33:36 4 station. That's the TDEC station.
8:33:36 4 station. That's the TDEC station.
18:33:40 5 All that data that I just
8:33:40 5 All that data that I just
18:33:42 6 described, TEOMs, the metals, they met
8:33:42 6 described, TEOMs, the metals, they met
18:33:48 7 quality assurance. The data that did not
8:33:48 7 quality assurance. The data that did not
18:33:52 8 meet it from September until January --
8:33:52 8 meet it from September until January --
18:33:54 9 again, I'm reiterating it -- is this filter-
8:33:54 9 again, I'm reiterating it -- is this filter-
18:33:56 10 based media that's pulled from these -- that
8:33:56 10 based media that's pulled from these -- that
18:33:58 11 pulls not only from this station, but from
8:33:58 11 pulls not only from this station, but from
18:34:00 12 this station, this station, this station,
8:34:00 12 this station, this station, this station,
18:34:02 13 and this station. I also have other data
8:34:02 13 and this station. I also have other data
18:34:06 14 that meet QA. There is -- and I'll go
8:34:06 14 that meet QA. There is -- and I'll go
18:34:10 15 through this with you.
8:34:10 15 through this with you.
18:34:14 16 The first question that comes to my
8:34:14 16 The first question that comes to my
18:34:18 17 mind is, oh, my goodness, I've got data here
8:34:18 17 mind is, oh, my goodness, I've got data here
18:34:24 18 from September to January where people were
8:34:24 18 from September to January where people were
18:34:26 19 put at risk. Similar -- you know, a similar
8:34:26 19 put at risk. Similar -- you know, a similar
18:34:30 20 reaction like anybody else. And so the
8:34:30 20 reaction like anybody else. And so the
18:34:34 21 first thing I do is I go and I look at what
8:34:34 21 first thing I do is I go and I look at what
18:34:40 22 do my other systems tell me? This is --
8:34:40 22 do my other systems tell me? This is --
18:34:44 23 there's backup systems here. It's not just
8:34:44 23 there's backup systems here. It's not just
18:34:46 24 one system that we depend on. This is too
8:34:46 24 one system that we depend on. This is too
18:34:50 25 important an issue to depend on one system.
8:34:50 25 important an issue to depend on one system.
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18:34:52 1 When you look at those systems,
8:34:52 1 When you look at those systems,
18:34:54 2 those other backup systems, the Agency is
8:34:54 2 those other backup systems, the Agency is
18:34:56 3 confident that the public was not put at
8:34:56 3 confident that the public was not put at
18:34:58 4 risk during this period, and I'll walk you
8:34:58 4 risk during this period, and I'll walk you
18:35:00 5 through that. I'll show you what these
8:35:00 5 through that. I'll show you what these
18:35:02 6 other systems show. Science speak, they
8:35:02 6 other systems show. Science speak, they
18:35:04 7 call it redundant systems. In English
8:35:04 7 call it redundant systems. In English
18:35:08 8 that's just, you know, backup systems.
8:35:08 8 that's just, you know, backup systems.
18:35:12 9 The strongest weight of evidence
8:35:12 9 The strongest weight of evidence
18:35:16 10 that makes the Agency confident that the
8:35:16 10 that makes the Agency confident that the
18:35:18 11 public was not put at risk are these TEOMs.
8:35:18 11 public was not put at risk are these TEOMs.
18:35:24 12 A TEOM is nothing more than a fancy word for
8:35:24 12 A TEOM is nothing more than a fancy word for
18:35:26 13 continuous monitor. It monitors all the
8:35:26 13 continuous monitor. It monitors all the
18:35:28 14 time, all on its own. Nobody touches it,
8:35:28 14 time, all on its own. Nobody touches it,
18:35:30 15 nobody deals with it, and it records
8:35:30 15 nobody deals with it, and it records
18:35:32 16 information. I believe it's every -- it's
8:35:32 16 information. I believe it's every -- it's
18:35:36 17 on a set maintenance pattern where someone
8:35:36 17 on a set maintenance pattern where someone
18:35:38 18 has to go check out to make sure that it's
8:35:38 18 has to go check out to make sure that it's
18:35:42 19 calibrated correctly, that there's no
8:35:42 19 calibrated correctly, that there's no
18:35:44 20 imminent failure with any of the parts.
8:35:44 20 imminent failure with any of the parts.
18:35:48 21 And it's located in the worst case
8:35:48 21 And it's located in the worst case
18:35:52 22 location. PS-07. PS-07 is the worst case
8:35:52 22 location. PS-07. PS-07 is the worst case
18:35:58 23 because that's downwind of the prevailing
8:35:58 23 because that's downwind of the prevailing
18:36:00 24 winds as close as possible to the site. We
8:36:00 24 winds as close as possible to the site. We
18:36:02 25 put it there for a reason. We put it there
8:36:02 25 put it there for a reason. We put it there
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18:36:04 1 because we knew that that's the worst case
8:36:04 1 because we knew that that's the worst case
18:36:08 2 place to put this in order to pick up on any
8:36:08 2 place to put this in order to pick up on any
18:36:10 3 problems that come from future emissions.
8:36:10 3 problems that come from future emissions.
18:36:16 4 What we have found over the past
8:36:16 4 What we have found over the past
18:36:18 5 year is that the concentrations that were
8:36:18 5 year is that the concentrations that were
18:36:22 6 picked up by not only the TEOM -- remember,
8:36:22 6 picked up by not only the TEOM -- remember,
18:36:26 7 I said from September to January that data
8:36:26 7 I said from September to January that data
18:36:28 8 was rejected from the particulate
8:36:28 8 was rejected from the particulate
18:36:30 9 monitors -- but from January to September,
8:36:30 9 monitors -- but from January to September,
18:36:34 10 those filter-based particulate monitors,
8:36:34 10 those filter-based particulate monitors,
18:36:40 11 that data is quality assured. That's good
8:36:40 11 that data is quality assured. That's good
18:36:40 12 data. So I can actually compare. And the
8:36:40 12 data. So I can actually compare. And the
18:36:44 13 TEOMs ran at the same time, so I can
8:36:44 13 TEOMs ran at the same time, so I can
18:36:44 14 actually compare, well, how well does the
8:36:44 14 actually compare, well, how well does the
18:36:46 15 TEOM track this lab-based data that meets
8:36:46 15 TEOM track this lab-based data that meets
18:36:52 16 quality assurance. So now I have to look to
8:36:52 16 quality assurance. So now I have to look to
18:36:54 17 see whether this, again, backup system
8:36:54 17 see whether this, again, backup system
18:36:58 18 tracks well, what this QA data did from
8:36:58 18 tracks well, what this QA data did from
18:37:02 19 January to September.
8:37:02 19 January to September.
18:37:06 20 So let's look -- and they tracked
8:37:06 20 So let's look -- and they tracked
18:37:08 21 it well, so let's look at a few graphs.
8:37:08 21 it well, so let's look at a few graphs.
18:37:12 22 Okay. Up in the top is a red line. That's
8:37:12 22 Okay. Up in the top is a red line. That's
18:37:18 23 150 micrograms per cubic meter. That's the
8:37:18 23 150 micrograms per cubic meter. That's the
18:37:24 24 national ambient air quality standard. On
8:37:24 24 national ambient air quality standard. On
18:37:26 25 this site, we use 120 -- excuse me -- 112 as
8:37:26 25 this site, we use 120 -- excuse me -- 112 as
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18:37:34 1 our action level. That's when project
8:37:34 1 our action level. That's when project
18:37:36 2 management steps back and says, "Hey, what
8:37:36 2 management steps back and says, "Hey, what
18:37:38 3 are we doing wrong here? We're approaching
8:37:38 3 are we doing wrong here? We're approaching
18:37:40 4 the 150." These are weekly averages. The
8:37:40 4 the 150." These are weekly averages. The
18:37:44 5 dailies are available if anybody wants them.
8:37:44 5 dailies are available if anybody wants them.
18:37:46 6 The CAG requested it last night and I
8:37:46 6 The CAG requested it last night and I
18:37:48 7 believe we have the CD ready.
8:37:48 7 believe we have the CD ready.
18:37:52 8 What you see here is -- the first
8:37:52 8 What you see here is -- the first
18:37:56 9 thing that is most important to see is look
8:37:56 9 thing that is most important to see is look
18:38:02 10 how low this number is, 20. This is PM 10.
8:38:02 10 how low this number is, 20. This is PM 10.
18:38:06 11 Again, my action is 112 and 150 is the NAAQS
8:38:06 11 Again, my action is 112 and 150 is the NAAQS
18:38:12 12 standard, National Ambient Air Quality
8:38:12 12 standard, National Ambient Air Quality
18:38:16 13 Standard. The second thing to see is all
8:38:16 13 Standard. The second thing to see is all
18:38:18 14 this data that's quality data, you'll see
8:38:18 14 this data that's quality data, you'll see
18:38:20 15 here in September the graph does not include
8:38:20 15 here in September the graph does not include
18:38:24 16 that filter-based media. It doesn't include
8:38:24 16 that filter-based media. It doesn't include
18:38:26 17 it from here to here. But you'll see that
8:38:26 17 it from here to here. But you'll see that
18:38:30 18 this TEOM at PS -- at Station 7, the worst
8:38:30 18 this TEOM at PS -- at Station 7, the worst
18:38:32 19 case station, it tracks the general air
8:38:32 19 case station, it tracks the general air
18:38:34 20 quality for the site fairly well.
8:38:34 20 quality for the site fairly well.
18:38:38 21 So if everything broke down on the
8:38:38 21 So if everything broke down on the
18:38:40 22 site except for these two TEOMs, there's a
8:38:40 22 site except for these two TEOMs, there's a
18:38:44 23 second one for 2.5, if every other system
8:38:44 23 second one for 2.5, if every other system
18:38:46 24 we're using for air monitoring broke down, I
8:38:46 24 we're using for air monitoring broke down, I
18:38:50 25 could stand here and tell you that the
8:38:50 25 could stand here and tell you that the
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18:38:52 1 public was protected during this period.
8:38:52 1 public was protected during this period.
18:38:56 2 Fund lead jobs are often run very cost
8:38:56 2 Fund lead jobs are often run very cost
18:39:04 3 effectively. I don't have the luxury of
8:39:04 3 effectively. I don't have the luxury of
18:39:06 4 redundant systems. If I had to do a fund
8:39:06 4 redundant systems. If I had to do a fund
18:39:10 5 lead job, meaning one that the taxpayer paid
8:39:10 5 lead job, meaning one that the taxpayer paid
18:39:12 6 for, this TEOM would suffice at Station 7
8:39:12 6 for, this TEOM would suffice at Station 7
18:39:18 7 for me doing the fund lead job to give the
8:39:18 7 for me doing the fund lead job to give the
18:39:20 8 Agency confidence that the public was not
8:39:20 8 Agency confidence that the public was not
18:39:24 9 put at risk.
8:39:24 9 put at risk.
18:39:30 10 Next slide. That's 2.5. Remember
8:39:30 10 Next slide. That's 2.5. Remember
18:39:34 11 I told you there's 10 and there's 2.5. So,
8:39:34 11 I told you there's 10 and there's 2.5. So,
18:39:38 12 again, from here to here that's all
8:39:38 12 again, from here to here that's all
18:39:42 13 particulate filter-based media samples, all
8:39:42 13 particulate filter-based media samples, all
18:39:44 14 good QA data. The 2.5 tracks this well --
8:39:44 14 good QA data. The 2.5 tracks this well --
18:39:50 15 as well. And so that's the second thing you
8:39:50 15 as well. And so that's the second thing you
18:39:54 16 should look at. The first thing you should
8:39:54 16 should look at. The first thing you should
18:39:56 17 look at is 35 is the National Ambient Air
8:39:56 17 look at is 35 is the National Ambient Air
18:40:02 18 Quality criteria, 25 is the site trigger.
8:40:02 18 Quality criteria, 25 is the site trigger.
18:40:04 19 Again, we don't approach that number during
8:40:04 19 Again, we don't approach that number during
18:40:06 20 any period of time and even during the
8:40:06 20 any period of time and even during the
18:40:08 21 summer. Yeah, we had a slight elevation
8:40:08 21 summer. Yeah, we had a slight elevation
18:40:10 22 during the summer, but we didn't approach
8:40:10 22 during the summer, but we didn't approach
18:40:14 23 this and we didn't approach this.
8:40:14 23 this and we didn't approach this.
18:40:20 24 Additional weights of evidence.
8:40:20 24 Additional weights of evidence.
18:40:24 25 We've got guys that ride around in a truck.
8:40:24 25 We've got guys that ride around in a truck.
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18:40:26 1 They sample PM 10 measurements every two
8:40:26 1 They sample PM 10 measurements every two
18:40:30 2 minutes. When they pull a sample, it takes
8:40:30 2 minutes. When they pull a sample, it takes
18:40:32 3 two minutes to pull an air sample. Then
8:40:32 3 two minutes to pull an air sample. Then
18:40:36 4 they drive to another location and they pull
8:40:36 4 they drive to another location and they pull
18:40:38 5 an air sample and it takes two minutes. We
8:40:38 5 an air sample and it takes two minutes. We
18:40:40 6 have every day -- between 2 and 400 of those
8:40:40 6 have every day -- between 2 and 400 of those
18:40:44 7 samples pulled every day. Over a period of
8:40:44 7 samples pulled every day. Over a period of
18:40:46 8 a week, over a period of months, you're then
8:40:46 8 a week, over a period of months, you're then
18:40:50 9 looking at thousands of PM 10 samples around
8:40:50 9 looking at thousands of PM 10 samples around
18:40:54 10 the site. And I guess these guys figure out
8:40:54 10 the site. And I guess these guys figure out
18:41:00 11 a path that they're assigned to work, a
8:41:00 11 a path that they're assigned to work, a
18:41:04 12 roadway path.
8:41:04 12 roadway path.
18:41:08 13 Second. Another line of evidence
8:41:08 13 Second. Another line of evidence
18:41:08 14 is that we have industrial hygiene samples
8:41:08 14 is that we have industrial hygiene samples
18:41:14 15 taken for workers. During this period of
8:41:14 15 taken for workers. During this period of
18:41:16 16 time from September until January, we had
8:41:16 16 time from September until January, we had
18:41:18 17 over 150 of them. They measure -- my
8:41:18 17 over 150 of them. They measure -- my
18:41:24 18 trigger level for workers is -- okay,
8:41:24 18 trigger level for workers is -- okay,
18:41:30 19 everybody knows what OSHA is. The trigger
8:41:30 19 everybody knows what OSHA is. The trigger
18:41:32 20 level that's used on the site for worker
8:41:32 20 level that's used on the site for worker
18:41:36 21 protection is one-fourth of the Tennessee
8:41:36 21 protection is one-fourth of the Tennessee
18:41:40 22 OSHA level, one-fourth. That's 25
8:41:40 22 OSHA level, one-fourth. That's 25
18:41:42 23 micrograms per cubic meter.
8:41:42 23 micrograms per cubic meter.
18:41:46 24 Then the last line of evidence that
8:41:46 24 Then the last line of evidence that
18:41:50 25 gives the Agency some common sense that,
8:41:50 25 gives the Agency some common sense that,
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18:41:52 1 hey, what was the weather like? It rained
8:41:52 1 hey, what was the weather like? It rained
18:41:56 2 40 percent of the time is -- I think I read
8:41:56 2 40 percent of the time is -- I think I read
18:41:58 3 -- I opened up the paper this weekend and
8:41:58 3 -- I opened up the paper this weekend and
18:42:00 4 the Department of Agriculture named not this
8:42:00 4 the Department of Agriculture named not this
18:42:02 5 county but Anderson County and some of the
8:42:02 5 county but Anderson County and some of the
18:42:06 6 neighboring counties in East Tennessee
8:42:06 6 neighboring counties in East Tennessee
18:42:08 7 disaster areas because of the amount of
8:42:08 7 disaster areas because of the amount of
18:42:10 8 rain. So at a minimum, as conservative as
8:42:10 8 rain. So at a minimum, as conservative as
18:42:14 9 possible, half the amount of time there was
8:42:14 9 possible, half the amount of time there was
18:42:16 10 too much moisture content in this material
8:42:16 10 too much moisture content in this material
18:42:18 11 for it to be a fugitive emissions risk. So
8:42:18 11 for it to be a fugitive emissions risk. So
18:42:22 12 we're really only talking about the other
8:42:22 12 we're really only talking about the other
18:42:24 13 half of the time.
8:42:24 13 half of the time.
18:42:26 14 All right. All those black dots,
8:42:26 14 All right. All those black dots,
18:42:32 15 that's two weeks' worth of PM 10 sampling.
8:42:32 15 that's two weeks' worth of PM 10 sampling.
18:42:36 16 I'm just going to flip you through these
8:42:36 16 I'm just going to flip you through these
18:42:38 17 pretty quickly. That's the site itself.
8:42:38 17 pretty quickly. That's the site itself.
18:42:40 18 All those purple dots are the locations of
8:42:40 18 All those purple dots are the locations of
18:42:44 19 the 150 personal monitoring samples that are
8:42:44 19 the 150 personal monitoring samples that are
18:42:46 20 taken over an eight-hour period for the
8:42:46 20 taken over an eight-hour period for the
18:42:48 21 workers. And we do that to make sure that
8:42:48 21 workers. And we do that to make sure that
18:42:50 22 the workers' health is protected, especially
8:42:50 22 the workers' health is protected, especially
18:42:54 23 from an inhalation point of view. And to
8:42:54 23 from an inhalation point of view. And to
18:42:58 24 date I believe there's only been one sample,
8:42:58 24 date I believe there's only been one sample,
18:43:02 25 not just out of 150, but hundreds of samples
8:43:02 25 not just out of 150, but hundreds of samples
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18:43:06 1 that even came close to this 25 microgram
8:43:06 1 that even came close to this 25 microgram
18:43:10 2 per cubic meter trigger. Another strong
8:43:10 2 per cubic meter trigger. Another strong
18:43:14 3 level of confidence.
8:43:14 3 level of confidence.
18:43:16 4 Okay. So you can ignore that slide
8:43:16 4 Okay. So you can ignore that slide
18:43:20 5 for a second. The redundant or the backup
8:43:20 5 for a second. The redundant or the backup
18:43:28 6 nature of the system, of the perimeter air
8:43:28 6 nature of the system, of the perimeter air
18:43:30 7 monitoring system, gives the Agency
8:43:30 7 monitoring system, gives the Agency
18:43:32 8 confidence that the public was not put at
8:43:32 8 confidence that the public was not put at
18:43:34 9 risk. I am very confident about that and I
8:43:34 9 risk. I am very confident about that and I
18:43:38 10 feel comfortable with that. What I'm not
8:43:38 10 feel comfortable with that. What I'm not
18:43:40 11 happy about is that this problem took four
8:43:40 11 happy about is that this problem took four
18:43:44 12 months to figure out. In terms of project
8:43:44 12 months to figure out. In terms of project
18:43:48 13 management, that is an unacceptable period
8:43:48 13 management, that is an unacceptable period
18:43:50 14 of time to discover a problem with something
8:43:50 14 of time to discover a problem with something
18:43:52 15 that you're depending on. Thankfully we
8:43:52 15 that you're depending on. Thankfully we
18:43:56 16 have redundant systems.
8:43:56 16 have redundant systems.
18:44:00 17 There needs to be corrective
8:44:00 17 There needs to be corrective
18:44:02 18 actions for that four-month period of time.
8:44:02 18 actions for that four-month period of time.